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Yor Honda, Mazda, Mitsubishi, Toyota, Nissan-nuud ihevchilen V4 baidag. Harin Honda Accord 98-s hoish garsan zagvaruud ni V6-tei bolson baina lee. Toyota -nuud V6 hovor baidag l doo. Harin Mitsubishi-n Eclipse-s Spyder esvel GST, GT geh metchilen mashinuud ni l zovhon V6 engine-tei baidag. Aan harin usa-n INFINITI, Lexus geh metchilen mashinuud ihenh ni V6 baidag. Yor ni gehdee yamar ch mashinii ENGINE-g solij boldog shdee. Honda Civic-nd bi l lav V8 engine tavchihsan V8kickr ch geluu tiim Licence Plate-tei mashin harj l baisan. Yor ni V4 mashiniig sain yanzalaad V6 engine-tei mashintai uraldahad hol hayana doo.
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Streetracer
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Honda Lover's Delusion: Honda & Acura engines are more powerful than American V8s
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The Mysterious VTEC
Ask almost any Honda or Acura enthusiast which is more powerful, an American V-8 or a Honda engine and he will always say, "Hondas, because they have VTEC and the shitty American engines don't!" Honda and Acura enthusiasts are always boasting about how "VTEC" makes Honda engines the greatest thing since the wheel was invented. VTEC is just variable valve timing, a feature that Nissan, Ford, and BMW all have in some of their engines. VTEC is just a crutch that Honda uses to make their tiny engines more drivable. Why do Honda engines need this crutch?
Honda engines used in Integras and Civics are very small (less than 2 liters) Small displacement engines need to spin HIGH RPMs in order to make power, and be cammed for optimum air/fuel and exhaust flow at high RPM. This causes the small engine to have almost ZERO low RPM torque. Without variable cam timing which gives a different camshaft lobe profile for high RPM and low RPM, the engine would make the car undrivable. A typical American pushrod V-8 has very good low RPM torque due to larger displacement and can make horsepower at both high AND low RPMs
The Horsepower Per Liter Farce
A lot of Honda and Acura lovers like to cite their engines' "superiority" and "efficiency" with "Hondas make more horsepower per liter." Ahh... the lame old "power per liter" ploy. Some high performance Honda engines make over 100 horsepower per liter. While that is nice, Honda lovers forget that those engines are only a tiny 1.8 liters! A high performance American 4.6 liter V-8 makes about 305 horsepower. Do the math!
305 horsepower > 195 horsepower
305 horsepower is more than 195 horsepower, no matter what the engine's displacement. Ants can lift 100 times their body weight; humans can lift much less. Ants are much smaller in size than humans. Humans are so much less "efficient" than ants, so does that make ants "superior" to humans?
Horsepower per liter means nothing, when a car with lower specific output but more total horsepower is beating you! A stock VTEC Integra has specific power well above a stock Mustang Cobra, but in an acceleration contest, the less "efficient" Mustang Cobra will win. On the street, small engines only provide the loser with an easy excuse. What will the Honda owner do after losing? Whip out his calculator, punch some keys and tell the V-8 owner, "You won, but your engine has lower specific output than my highly superior Integra!!!"
102 Horsepower per Liter
Many Honda enthusiasts smugly say, "Name me one American car that has 100 hp/liter STOCK--YOU CAN'T!" American automakers have done this before, years before Honda! In 1991-93, the Dodge Spirit R/T made 224 HP @ 6000 RPM from a 2.2 liter 16V DOHC turbo engine. This works out to 102 HORSEPOWER PER LITER! In 1993 the Dodge Daytona IROC R/Tused the same engine and made the same horsepower. Why didn't we hear more about these cars? The Honda lovers were too busy saying American cars suck!
Many Honda people have written in crying, "No fair--that's a turbo engine! If you put a turbo on a Integra GS-R..." But we're not talking about "if" here. It seems they can't accept the facts. Honda does not make turbo-equipped engines stock from the factory, and what I am talking about here are STOCK horsepower ratings, regardless of induction. I guess it just hurts some Honda enthusiasts to shatter another one of their beloved myths, that only Honda is able to make over 100 HP per liter.
Anoter irony is that one of the most popular modifications for VTEC Hondas is a turbocharger or supercharger. If Chrysler had the foresight in the 80's to install them on the assembly line, then maybe there were a step ahead.
169 Horsepower per Liter-- Stock!
There's a very common engine that produces 169 hp per liter. That's incredible, isn't it? If Integra 1.8L engines were that "efficient" and "powerful", they would make 300 hp! What is this incredibly efficient engine? A .40 R/C model airplane engine (about .0065 liters), which makes about 1.1 horsepower at 11,500 RPM. All those Integra owners better run down to the hobby shop and buy 195 of these engines of "highly efficient design" and put them in an Integra, That way they can have bragging rights to say,"my car makes 169 hp per liter!"
Honda's Larger displacement Engines
Also note that there are only a few of these "high specific output" engines installed in Honda cars. Honda themselves are using more and more larger displacement engines in their cars besides the Civic, Integra and Prelude, such as the V6 in the Accord and in Acura's larger sedans. Even Honda knows there's no replacement for DISPLACEMENT!
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The Mysterious VTEC
Ask almost any Honda or Acura enthusiast which is more powerful, an American V-8 or a Honda engine and he will always say, "Hondas, because they have VTEC and the shitty American engines don't!" Honda and Acura enthusiasts are always boasting about how "VTEC" makes Honda engines the greatest thing since the wheel was invented. VTEC is just variable valve timing, a feature that Nissan, Ford, and BMW all have in some of their engines. VTEC is just a crutch that Honda uses to make their tiny engines more drivable. Why do Honda engines need this crutch?
Honda engines used in Integras and Civics are very small (less than 2 liters) Small displacement engines need to spin HIGH RPMs in order to make power, and be cammed for optimum air/fuel and exhaust flow at high RPM. This causes the small engine to have almost ZERO low RPM torque. Without variable cam timing which gives a different camshaft lobe profile for high RPM and low RPM, the engine would make the car undrivable. A typical American pushrod V-8 has very good low RPM torque due to larger displacement and can make horsepower at both high AND low RPMs
The Horsepower Per Liter Farce
A lot of Honda and Acura lovers like to cite their engines' "superiority" and "efficiency" with "Hondas make more horsepower per liter." Ahh... the lame old "power per liter" ploy. Some high performance Honda engines make over 100 horsepower per liter. While that is nice, Honda lovers forget that those engines are only a tiny 1.8 liters! A high performance American 4.6 liter V-8 makes about 305 horsepower. Do the math!
305 horsepower > 195 horsepower
305 horsepower is more than 195 horsepower, no matter what the engine's displacement. Ants can lift 100 times their body weight; humans can lift much less. Ants are much smaller in size than humans. Humans are so much less "efficient" than ants, so does that make ants "superior" to humans?
Horsepower per liter means nothing, when a car with lower specific output but more total horsepower is beating you! A stock VTEC Integra has specific power well above a stock Mustang Cobra, but in an acceleration contest, the less "efficient" Mustang Cobra will win. On the street, small engines only provide the loser with an easy excuse. What will the Honda owner do after losing? Whip out his calculator, punch some keys and tell the V-8 owner, "You won, but your engine has lower specific output than my highly superior Integra!!!"
102 Horsepower per Liter
Many Honda enthusiasts smugly say, "Name me one American car that has 100 hp/liter STOCK--YOU CAN'T!" American automakers have done this before, years before Honda! In 1991-93, the Dodge Spirit R/T made 224 HP @ 6000 RPM from a 2.2 liter 16V DOHC turbo engine. This works out to 102 HORSEPOWER PER LITER! In 1993 the Dodge Daytona IROC R/Tused the same engine and made the same horsepower. Why didn't we hear more about these cars? The Honda lovers were too busy saying American cars suck!
Many Honda people have written in crying, "No fair--that's a turbo engine! If you put a turbo on a Integra GS-R..." But we're not talking about "if" here. It seems they can't accept the facts. Honda does not make turbo-equipped engines stock from the factory, and what I am talking about here are STOCK horsepower ratings, regardless of induction. I guess it just hurts some Honda enthusiasts to shatter another one of their beloved myths, that only Honda is able to make over 100 HP per liter.
Anoter irony is that one of the most popular modifications for VTEC Hondas is a turbocharger or supercharger. If Chrysler had the foresight in the 80's to install them on the assembly line, then maybe there were a step ahead.
169 Horsepower per Liter-- Stock!
There's a very common engine that produces 169 hp per liter. That's incredible, isn't it? If Integra 1.8L engines were that "efficient" and "powerful", they would make 300 hp! What is this incredibly efficient engine? A .40 R/C model airplane engine (about .0065 liters), which makes about 1.1 horsepower at 11,500 RPM. All those Integra owners better run down to the hobby shop and buy 195 of these engines of "highly efficient design" and put them in an Integra, That way they can have bragging rights to say,"my car makes 169 hp per liter!"
Honda's Larger displacement Engines
Also note that there are only a few of these "high specific output" engines installed in Honda cars. Honda themselves are using more and more larger displacement engines in their cars besides the Civic, Integra and Prelude, such as the V6 in the Accord and in Acura's larger sedans. Even Honda knows there's no replacement for DISPLACEMENT!
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Streetracer
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Streetracer
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hodolguuriig zagvaraas hamaaraad yanz yanz tavina l daa
Toyota -Corolla, Sprinter, Corona V4
Mark 2, Crown, Camry V6 or V8
Lexus bur V12 tai ch baidagshd.
cylinder-iin toonoos gadna bagtaamj gej neg yum baigaa. jishee ni toyota
Mark 2 V6 2000;
2500;
3000 toi hodolguuruud baidag,
benz 190- 1900 geed l toonoosoo osood benzin ideed yavchihna shuudee.
gehdee nadad bol full-time car-uud l zugeer sanagddag yum. ovol gulsah ni baga, harin benzin ovoo ideed baidag yumaa.
. minii anzaarsanaar Mitsu solongosiin dainii tolbort hyundai uildveriig barij ogson. tegeed Delica-d Galloper, Grace-n selbeg, Galant Lancer-t Excel, sonata-n selbeg shuud taardag yum bilee. harin solongosuud Lancer-n V4 1.3-1.6 huchtei hodolguuriig excel-d tavisnaas bolood osol ih gardag yum.
Toyota -Corolla, Sprinter, Corona V4
Mark 2, Crown, Camry V6 or V8
Lexus bur V12 tai ch baidagshd.
cylinder-iin toonoos gadna bagtaamj gej neg yum baigaa. jishee ni toyota
Mark 2 V6 2000;
2500;
3000 toi hodolguuruud baidag,
benz 190- 1900 geed l toonoosoo osood benzin ideed yavchihna shuudee.
gehdee nadad bol full-time car-uud l zugeer sanagddag yum. ovol gulsah ni baga, harin benzin ovoo ideed baidag yumaa.
. minii anzaarsanaar Mitsu solongosiin dainii tolbort hyundai uildveriig barij ogson. tegeed Delica-d Galloper, Grace-n selbeg, Galant Lancer-t Excel, sonata-n selbeg shuud taardag yum bilee. harin solongosuud Lancer-n V4 1.3-1.6 huchtei hodolguuriig excel-d tavisnaas bolood osol ih gardag yum.
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Morpheus M
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Engine -n xuvid xamgiin gol uzuulelt chin cylindr -n too, bairlal bish shuu dee. Xodolguur l gexeer V6, I4 ene ter gesen xedxen torol baidag yum shig yarix yum. Ug ni xodolguuriin tom baga, xuchin chadal angilaliig todorxoildog gol uzuulelt bol xodolguuriin ajliin bagtaamj.
Zugeer neg jishee avya l daa:
1 Cylindr tus bur ni 800 cc (santimetr cube) bagtaamjtai tomoo 4 cylindrtei xodolguur baisan gej bodyo. Tegvel 1 Cylindr ni 400 cc bagtaamjtai 6 cylindr -tei xodolguurtei xaritsuulaxad ali ni iluu xuchtei baix ve?
800cc x 4 = 3200cc
400cc x 6 = 2400cc
3200 > 2400
Endees xaraxad olon cylindrtei l bol iluu xuchtei baidag gej xelj boloxgui ni oilgomjtoi bolj baigaa biz dee?
Gexdee cylindr -n too olshrox ni taktuudiin xoorondxi sul ergeltiin ontsgiig bagasgax, ingesneer xodolguuriin ergeltiig iluu jigd bolgox, xodolguuriin xuch aldaj bolzoshgui egzegtei bairlaluudiig boginosgox davuu taluud baidag l daa. Mon cylindr -n bagtaamj ali bolox bagassanaar ajliin xolimogiin tesrex xugatsaag bagasgax (ajliin xolimog xurdan tesersnii ur dund taktiin ue boginosch, xodolguuriin ergelt osoxod noloo uzuuldeg), ajliin xolimogiin shataltiig buren yavagduulaxad chuxal noloo uzuuldeg.
Gevch edgeer davuu taluud ni xodolguuriin chadliig nemegduulexed zuunii xedxen xuviar tootsogdox noloo uzuuldeg bogood xodolguuriin bagtaamjaas iluu shiidverlex noloo uzuulj chaddaggui.
Zugeer neg jishee avya l daa:
1 Cylindr tus bur ni 800 cc (santimetr cube) bagtaamjtai tomoo 4 cylindrtei xodolguur baisan gej bodyo. Tegvel 1 Cylindr ni 400 cc bagtaamjtai 6 cylindr -tei xodolguurtei xaritsuulaxad ali ni iluu xuchtei baix ve?
800cc x 4 = 3200cc
400cc x 6 = 2400cc
3200 > 2400
Endees xaraxad olon cylindrtei l bol iluu xuchtei baidag gej xelj boloxgui ni oilgomjtoi bolj baigaa biz dee?
Gexdee cylindr -n too olshrox ni taktuudiin xoorondxi sul ergeltiin ontsgiig bagasgax, ingesneer xodolguuriin ergeltiig iluu jigd bolgox, xodolguuriin xuch aldaj bolzoshgui egzegtei bairlaluudiig boginosgox davuu taluud baidag l daa. Mon cylindr -n bagtaamj ali bolox bagassanaar ajliin xolimogiin tesrex xugatsaag bagasgax (ajliin xolimog xurdan tesersnii ur dund taktiin ue boginosch, xodolguuriin ergelt osoxod noloo uzuuldeg), ajliin xolimogiin shataltiig buren yavagduulaxad chuxal noloo uzuuldeg.
Gevch edgeer davuu taluud ni xodolguuriin chadliig nemegduulexed zuunii xedxen xuviar tootsogdox noloo uzuuldeg bogood xodolguuriin bagtaamjaas iluu shiidverlex noloo uzuulj chaddaggui.
Би юу ч мэдэхгvйгээ л мэднэ.
Morpheus M гишvvний ROTOR хеделгvvрийн талаар бичсэн бичлэг
ROTOR - PORSHENT ENGINE BOLON BUSAD SONIN XACHIN ENGINES
Anx rotor xodolguur neleen deer ued xiigdsen. Tuxain uedee adilxan xuchin chadaltai Shatun - Porshent (bidnii xamgiin sain medex) xodolguurees Rotor - Porshent xodolguur ni shataxuun zartsuulalt 30 - 40% iluu baidag sul talaasaa bolj practict orgon nevterch chadaagui. Ug ni Rotor - Porshent xodoguur ni xiits, butetsiin xuvid xamaagui tsomxon, elegdel evdreliin tovshin mash baga baidag, xamgiin gol ni ijil chadaltai engiin xodolguurees oiroltsoogoor xoyor daxin baga ovor xemjee ezeldegeeree Shatun - Porshent xodolguurees davuu yum.
Xarin suuliin ueiin shataxuun zartsuulaltiig bagasgax technologiud bolon nariin tootsoolson zoxion buteeltiin achaar Rotor xodolguur daxin sonirxogdox bolj baina. Xamgiin gol ni unaad xeregleed uzexed xer yum baigaa yum. Bidnii xuvid bol xezee negen tsagt Rotor xodolguuriig oorsdoo xereglej uzexee l xuleej suux uldej dee.
Anx rotor xodolguur neleen deer ued xiigdsen. Tuxain uedee adilxan xuchin chadaltai Shatun - Porshent (bidnii xamgiin sain medex) xodolguurees Rotor - Porshent xodolguur ni shataxuun zartsuulalt 30 - 40% iluu baidag sul talaasaa bolj practict orgon nevterch chadaagui. Ug ni Rotor - Porshent xodoguur ni xiits, butetsiin xuvid xamaagui tsomxon, elegdel evdreliin tovshin mash baga baidag, xamgiin gol ni ijil chadaltai engiin xodolguurees oiroltsoogoor xoyor daxin baga ovor xemjee ezeldegeeree Shatun - Porshent xodolguurees davuu yum.
Xarin suuliin ueiin shataxuun zartsuulaltiig bagasgax technologiud bolon nariin tootsoolson zoxion buteeltiin achaar Rotor xodolguur daxin sonirxogdox bolj baina. Xamgiin gol ni unaad xeregleed uzexed xer yum baigaa yum. Bidnii xuvid bol xezee negen tsagt Rotor xodolguuriig oorsdoo xereglej uzexee l xuleej suux uldej dee.
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TimberLand
Гишvvн - Бичлэгүүд: 59
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Turbo engine-iig nisdeg tereg, zarim neg hurdan zavinuudad heregledeg. Mon Ihenh tiireltet ongotsond tubo engine -iig tiireltet hodolguurtei ni hosluulan tavisan baidag. hund daatsiin holiin teevriin mashind tavibal ashigtai ch baij boloh yum gesen. Duu chimee ihtei bolohooroo bas gologddog. Herev duu namsgagach tavibal ashigt uiliin coef ni mash baga bolchihdog.Espadon написал:TURBO ENGINE - Meddeg buxnee bichitsgeeye!
Turbo engine gej neg sonirxoltoi zuil ali deerees l sonsogddog baisan. Xarin ene engine -n ajillagaanii zarchim, ontslog davuu taluud, anxaarax zuilsiin talaar meddeg xumuus end bichne uu.
Turbo engine-nii ajillah zarchim ni ih hyalbar. Shataltaas garsan ih daralttai hiigeer tubine buyu engiineer helbel sens uleej erguulne. Ter sens ni ooroo agaar shahah compressoroo bas erguulne.
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Morpheus M
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Ustorogchiin xodolguuriin zarim ni zugeer l dotood shataltat xodolguur baidag. Uzuuleltiin xuvid tulshnii tesreltees cylindr -t uusex daralt ni petrol xodolguurees ul medeg baga baidag gesen. Yamar ch gesen chadliin xuvid tiim ch baga bish yum shig baina lee. Sul tal ni busad asuudluuddaa l baidag baix. Jisheelbel H2 -oo xadgalax, mon urvalaas uussen buteegdexuuniig zailuulax (H2O buyu us) gex met.
Xarin zarim ni H2, O2 -n negdliin urvalaas tsaxilgaan energy gargaj avax zarchmaar ajilladag gesen. Gargaj avsan tsaxilgaan energy -eeree yaadag ni oilgomjtoi biz dee.
Xarin zarim ni H2, O2 -n negdliin urvalaas tsaxilgaan energy gargaj avax zarchmaar ajilladag gesen. Gargaj avsan tsaxilgaan energy -eeree yaadag ni oilgomjtoi biz dee.
Би юу ч мэдэхгvйгээ л мэднэ.
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TimberLand
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hey ta hediiin bichleguudiig unshihad ih sain meddeg yum shig sanagdlaa.
bi hicheel deeree neg yum bichih yostoi yumaaa.
sedev ni .... (Bensinmotoriin butets zohion baiguulalt, herhen ajillah arga zarchim avtomashin deer) gej bgaa yum ta buhniig meddeg yumaaraa zuvluguu ugnu gej naidaj bna. yalanguya motoriin dotod zurag bolon tailbartaigaa baival buur ssak shuu!
bi hicheel deeree neg yum bichih yostoi yumaaa.
sedev ni .... (Bensinmotoriin butets zohion baiguulalt, herhen ajillah arga zarchim avtomashin deer) gej bgaa yum ta buhniig meddeg yumaaraa zuvluguu ugnu gej naidaj bna. yalanguya motoriin dotod zurag bolon tailbartaigaa baival buur ssak shuu!
Re: Morpheus M гишvvний ROTOR хеделгvvрийн талаар бичсэн бич
Японы Мазда-гийн ротор хөдөлгүүрт (ротор-поршент!) автомашин бүтээж ирсэн 40 жилийн хийморьлог түүхтэй харьцуулахад Тойота, Даймлер Бенц, Женерал Моторс гэх мэт аварга үйлдвэрлэгчдийн ижил загварууд "амжилтгүй оролдлого төдий" аж.Espadon написал:ROTOR - PORSHENT ENGINE BOLON BUSAD SONIN XACHIN ENGINES
Anx rotor xodolguur neleen deer ued xiigdsen. Tuxain uedee adilxan xuchin chadaltai Shatun - Porshent (bidnii xamgiin sain medex) xodolguurees Rotor - Porshent xodolguur ni shataxuun zartsuulalt 30 - 40% iluu baidag sul talaasaa bolj practict orgon nevterch chadaagui. Ug ni Rotor - Porshent xodoguur ni xiits, butetsiin xuvid xamaagui tsomxon, elegdel evdreliin tovshin mash baga baidag, xamgiin gol ni ijil chadaltai engiin xodolguurees oiroltsoogoor xoyor daxin baga ovor xemjee ezeldegeeree Shatun - Porshent xodolguurees davuu yum.
Xarin suuliin ueiin shataxuun zartsuulaltiig bagasgax technologiud bolon nariin tootsoolson zoxion buteeltiin achaar Rotor xodolguur daxin sonirxogdox bolj baina. Xamgiin gol ni unaad xeregleed uzexed xer yum baigaa yum. Bidnii xuvid bol xezee negen tsagt Rotor xodolguuriig oorsdoo xereglej uzexee l xuleej suux uldej dee.
RX-8 нь зүгээр нэг САААК, ТАСАРХАЙ машин төдийгүй
Мазда-гийн түүхэн дэх хамгийн хүчтэй ротор хөдөлгүүртэй спорт автомашин болдгоороо онцгой. 
Хос ротор бүхий маш цомхон RENESIS 13B хөдөлгүүр нь (Hi Power загвар нь 238 морины, стандарт загвар нь 192 морины хүчтэй) нь 2003 оны хамгийн шилдэг хөдөлгүүр-ээр шалгарчээ. Өмнөх үеийн домогт RX-7-ийн хөдөлгүүртэй харьцуулахад тосны зарцуулалт 50%-иар, бензинийх 20%-иар бага.
Спорт автомашин 2 хүний суудалтай, их сайндаа л 2+2 (2 том хvн, 2 хүүхэд) суудалтай байдаг бол Mazda RX-8 нь жинхэнэ 4 хүний суудалтай, 4 хаалгатай спорт купе гэдгээрээ бас онцгой.
Хажуугийн 2 хаалга уламжлалт маягаар биш, "free style" буюу төвөөс хоёр тийшээ салж нээгддэг, хажууд төвийн тулгуур гэж байхгүй болохоор арын суудалд саадгүй чөлөөтэй суух боломжтой. Нэгэнт тулгуургүй болхоор салоны хэсэг нь "найдвар муутай байх" гэж заримд нь бодогдож болох юм. Тэгвэл огт үгүй. Хажуугийн crash test-ийн үзүүлэлтээр RX-8 нь тулгууртай седан машинуудаас ч илүү.
